Uh-Oh, Mel Gibson Redux? "Will Smith -- Hitler, Schmitler; He Wasn't That Bad"

by djsblack | December 24, 2007 at 03:32 pm

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Where are all of the Al Sharpton's, Jesse Jackson's, and talking heads when you need them?


Will Smith -- Hitler, Schmitler; He Wasn't That Bad


On the day before Christmas, a leading Jewish group is kvetching loudly about Will Smith's recent suggestion that Adolf Hitler wasn't all bad, calling it "ignorant, detestable, and offensive." Oy.

And it doesn't end there ...

The Jewish Defense League is calling on Barack Obama to repudiate Smith's comments, and wants theaters to pull Smith's new flick "I Am Legend" from their screens. Smith told a Scottish paper that Hitler "didn't wake up going, 'Let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' ... I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'" What kind of meshuggeneh talk is that?!

Smith's words, say the JDL, "spit on the memory of every person murdered by the Nazis. His disgusting words stick a knife in the backs of every veteran who fought (and sometimes died) to save the world from the intentions of Adolf Hitler." Smith's rep could not be reached for comment.


[Ed.note] I have read that Mr. Smith has recently joined the Church of Scientology. Perhaps he needs to join another.

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Rob Walker

The headline is extremely misleading as Smith never actually said the words that are in quotes.

I don't really see what the problem is...Smith never says he wasn't a bad guy, just that Hitler didn't see himself as evil. If you read Mein Kampf or any historical psychological research, you'll find out the same thing. Hitler thought he was saving the world.

That's not racism, it's reality.

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djsblack

I see. Hitler thought that he "was saving the world" as opposed to conquering it. Well, I and millions of other people, disagree with you and Mr. Will Smith.

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Rob Walker

Neither myself nor Will Smith said we agreed with him or thought that he was saving the world. What is a known historical fact (as I mentioned, if you read hitler's autobiography Mien Kampf) is that he *thought* of himself as a world savior. While the rest of the world knows he was an insane, genocidal maniac, he thought of himself as a hero.

Aside from that, Smith never said what is in the quotes and that could be considered libel. 

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djsblack

The quotes were pulled from TMZ which got lost in the post. Therefore, your allegation as to "libel" is a non-starter. People can couch their true objectives in false flags--that is called propaganda.


That you choose to use Mein Kampf, World War II, the Holocaust, and the rape of Europe, as justification that Hitler's desire was "to save the world," is patently absurd.


Again, not everybody agrees with you and Mr. Smith's perception and raltionalization of Hitler and the Nazis' evil--but you remain in the minority.


The arguments that you use to justify the worst crimes in the history of mankind by Hitler and the Nazis--defies history, it certainly is not to be used as rationalization as to Hitler wanting to "save the world."


Mein Kampf is a blueprint for him to conquer the world based on racial purity, the evil of all non "Aryans" especially the Jews, and is a justification for German Nationalism and xenophobia. With respect to allegations of libel--it is to laugh.


Mr. Smith put himself up for public ridicule. The Nazi regime was one of the first in the history of the world where the nation/state was subservient to the genocide of other people. That was their reason for existence.


As to Hitler waking up one day, and not being a bad guy--well, that is just silly and not worthy of anything but scorn.

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dambridge

Sadly, djsblack, there's little more harmful to open communication
and a spirit of resolution than dogmatic repudiation of the truth
through tired semantic debates. Ouch, that was verbose -- let's make it
more street.

I think I'm a great dancer. My wife will firmly tell
me and anyone else within spitting distance that I am NOT. Once I start
dancing, however, all doubt is removed as to who is correct as I show
off my two left feet. Does that mean I never said or thought I was a
good dancer? Does that mean that when my wife tells people how I feel
that she's an idiot? Nope -- she's just telling it like it is.

So
when the world saw Hitler's version of the soft-shoe, they recognized
evil and treated it as such, regardless of how good he thought he was,
or how sound he thought his policies were. The two don't connect; in an
ultimately solipsistic world, evil is as evil does.

'nuff said?

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jordan

I read this the other day on Yahoo! News, but didn't post it because the headline had little to do with the actual content of the article.

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preserver

I came from a country where english is not one of its main language yet i'm surprised to how a sentence with such a clear sentence with little room for ambiguity can be translated to its exactly opposite meaning, by a person who considers himself educated no less.
The most obvious example i can offer is The Bali Bombing. The bombers believe to their death that they are doing God's work by "cleansing" the island. I hate it, Will Smith hates it, Rob Walker here hates it, but that's a fact. It is utterly stupid and naive if you believe that people like Hitler knows that what he's doing is evil, that they set out to 'conquer the world' and laughing maniacally while sitting on a throne plotting his next move for the good guys like some cheesy black and white movie.
But if you do, you should read more and get out more

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djsblack

I see. Freedom of disagreement now gets labeled. Arguing against the facts of history is called stupid. O.K--Black is White, and White is Black. You have me now convinced.

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preserver

Sorry, from the wordy post above it is clear that you still do not understand that we are not even disagreeing about history facts. It's just a simple human concept that apparently you haven't grasp. Some people do what they do, believing with their twisted backward logic that they are doing the right thing.

It's like watching a tone-deaf American Idol contestant who believe that she is a diva got kicked out and calling the juries names, while the rest of the world know the simple fact that she is just a horrible singer. Again, i offer you the example of Bali bombers who chant the Koran all through the preceding of the trial believing in their mind that everyone else who condemns their actions has lost their way. That their sole purpose in life of genocide (they believe that Caucasian brought sins to the island) is endorsed by God. As a Muslim i am angered by what they do and how they justify it, especially since i lost friends due to their actions. But i also have to come to terms that some people brought out by an isolated society of zealots can have a very warped understanding of what is wrong or right. Like Hitler was. Let me put it simple, we DO NOT rationalize appalling actions, UNDERSTANDING what one does does not mean condoning it. I've read the comments on TMZ and i was relieved that most of the people understand what this fuss is all about.

Freedom of disagreement is when we argue over the facts to answer a question in a quiz or an exam, failing to understand the question is another thing.

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djsblack

I see. The KKK after Lynching and hanging black people, have their reasons, as well. The thinnking behind hate is best left to the academics--which, obviously, is not the situation here. As well, your comparisons, are idiosyncratic, a discussion about the rationalization and explanation of why people hate--is far removed from the cloak of hiding behind reasons to use it for other nefarious and deceptive purposes.


As far as your allegation as to me "failing to understand the question" I didn't pose the question--you did. I am free to dismiss it; and I have.

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preserver

Wow....for a person who SOUND smart you really are transparently shallow. Well forgive me for all the excitement, I'll leave you to your quiet little corner where you, as you have pointed out,are the majority.

A piece of advice though,...maybe you ought to read other things than what you are reading now. Or communicate with other people more. Or watch Oprah.....

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djsblack

By using personal attacks, you clearly demonstrate a lack of ability to debate. Furthermore, your statement that I should "watch Oprah" and that I am "transparently shallow" because I happen to not agree with you, is a childish and churlish argument that want for a better word, is stupid and insulting. Because I don't accept your belief systems nor your argument is something that you have to deal with. As far as your "advice" save it for somebody who might care.

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Rob Walker

An update over at TMZ actually proves what I said earlier regarding libel. By putting quotes around 'hitler schmitler; he wsn't that bad' you're saying he actually spoke those words. This is libellous by any definition of the word and needs to be changed immediately unless you can provide a source proving he said that.

UPDATE: Will Smith's rep sent TMZ the following statement from him, which reads:
"It is an awful and disgusting lie. It speaks to the dangerous power of
an ignorant person with a pen. I am incensed and infuriated to have to
respond to such ludicrous misinterpretation. Adolph Hitler was a vile,
heinous, vicious killer responsible for one of the greatest acts of
evil committed on this planet."

It is always a wonder to me when people claim others are personally attacking them, only to sally forth with their own insults. 
"...that I am "transparently shallow" because I happen to not agree with
you, is a childish and churlish argument that want for a better word,
is stupid and insulting."    Calling someone stupid and insulting (even if you're just insinuating it here, which you clearly are) is worse than anyone else is saying.

Not everyone has some creepy mysterious agenda and it is disappointing you feel that way. Also anyone here is welcome to post any comment they want (as long as it falls in the Terms of Use, which some people are getting uncomfortably close to). Maybe just tone it down a bit folks. If anyone has an agenda it's the newspaper that released such a bs article on the slowest news day of the year, a few weeks after Smith's new mega-movie hit theatres. 

Also from the OSS psychological assessment of Hitler circa 1942.

"I follow my course with the precision and security of a sleepwalker."

Does that sound like someone who thinks what they're doing is wrong? From the assessment:

"It is this firm conviction that he has a mission and is under the
guidance and protection of Providence which is responsible in large
part for the contagious effect he has had on the German people.

Many people believe that this feeling of Destiny and mission have
come to Hitler through his successes. This is probably false. Later
in our study (Part V) we will try to show that Hitler has had this
feeling for a great many years although it may not have become a
conscious conviction until much later. In any case it was forcing
its way into consciousness during the war and has played a
dominant role in his actions ever since. Mend (one of his comrades),
for example, reports:"

So actually, not only did he think he was doing the right thing, but that fate/god were behind him and it was his duty to continue it. 

As someone else said, you do understand the distinction between knowing what he actually did was wrong, and still be able to accept that Hitler personally thought he was doing the right thing? The two are not mutually exclusive.

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djsblack

I merely put into quotations what TMZ had in their headlines. If you wish to file a defamation or slander suit against them, that is entirely your or Mr. Will Smith's choice. Somehow, I just don't think it will happen. Call it clairvoyance on my part.


Secondly since you, apparently have waded so thickly into the mud of Hitler's intentions,  I can offer you a tidbit of Ben Hecht's snippet on  anti-semitism:


"The anti-Semite is an invalid who will not go to the doctor. He goes only to the Jew. The Jew is his patent medicine guaranteed to cure him. If he is weak, the Jew will make him strong. If he is stupid, he has only to swallow a few Jews and become brilliant. If he is suffering from being unknown, he can find fame out of Jews. They are a magic indispensable to fools."


It's obvious that, your armchair analysis of Hitler's motives--doesn't take into account the entire nation of Germany and the Nazi party to carry through on his genocidal ambitions.


Ergo, I must dismiss your discourse as intellectual fraud.


Lastly, your attempt to categorize my response to the poster questioning my intellect and recommending that I watch Oprah, was met with the same amount of respect and silliness that was due him.  Of course, you have waded into those muddy waters as well.


To wit: I find this commentary offered up, as some kind of witch's brew that has come from and put forth, from such an evil man.


Hitler and his and the Nazi regimes were both evil in deeds and thoughts. I don't need or require to analyze them nor do I find Mr. Will Smith's insipid remarks to be worthy of anything but scorn and ridicule.

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Rob Walker

Actually we at NowPublic are responsible for content on the site. Once you put it here, even if you're quoting TMZ, it becomes something we need to concern ourselves with.

Since, as I've stated, Smith never once said those things I think the headline should be changed.

I think everyone would prefer an honest discussion rather than scorn and ridicule.

You're basically dismissing both a heavily scrutinized, long-standing document (The OSS psych assessment of hitler's psychology was taken from hundreds of
interviews of his closest confidantes and internal memos/letters) and the man's own personal memoirs as 'armchair analysis'.

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djsblack

Contrary to your allegations I am not "dismissing" the OSS's psyoanlysis of Hitler. I am focusing on his actions and the ramifications that occurred---especially for the Jewish people, Russia, and the world. It caused World War II. The OSS issue was raised by you, it is not part of my story nor my main focus of what I am writing or responding to--if you find that I am focusing on the results and not the symptom of anti-semtism as to Hitler's "mind,"--you happen to be correct.


I find that to be a waste of my time--maybe for others it is fodder for academic study. That I choose not to engage in that issue, doesn't make my discussion "not an honest one," using your logic.


It just makes you upset that I don't find it to be relevant. In fact, I find it to be highly irrelevant. I have given examples of why I feel and think so.


You may accept them or not--that is entirely your choice.


As to the issue of whether Mr. Will Smith said what he is quoted as saying--the facts are clear--he did say it.


As to your allegation of my alleged "scorn and ridicule" I assume you didn't read the poster's reference to me being stupid and recommendation to watch Oprah, which you didn't address, but commented on my response to that.


My reference to "armchair analysis" with respect to you--is that the Shoah is a Historical Fact, and quite frankly, Adolph's mind, and Mein Kampf, doesn't really matter.


The evil has been perpetrated upon mankind.


Lastly, as to the issue of the headline--I used TMZ's and added a twist upon it. If you can provide a legal opinion as to why the title of this post may be considered slander, defamation, or libel, I'll be happy to show it to my lawyer, and I will take the change under consideration based on counsel's recommendations.


Lastly, I am reading the Goebbels Diary, and the Nazi plan from the beginning was to liquidate all Jews from the planet--so I'm not sure where you are coming from-. It was you that inserted yourself into this quite highly charged commentary, and quite frankly, IMO, I think that you are not "getting" what I am saying.


Be that as it may, I stand by my story, and comments for the present. However, after I consult with Ryan Nydel and if Now Public has a real issue about the byline, I will certainly listen to what he has to say, and make the requisite change if they deem it to be potentially libelous as to Mr Smith.


My parents were in Aushwitz, I lost a thousand relatives in the Holocaust, and I take some of your comments personally. However, in the spirit of debate and intellectual discourse, I shall let bygones be bygones with you, and take this matter up on a different day.


If you do recall however, all Germans during WWII were only "following orders" and the Nuremberg trials proved that that regime commited massive War Crimes.


And as you use the OSS as your basis for Hitler's state of mind--that is the very same agency that allowed most of the Nazis to avoid prosecution by the Nuremberg trials, to spy for us against the Russians.


So, your source is biased.

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djsblack

"We welcome and accept Will Smith's statement that Hitler was a `vicious killer' and that he did not mean for his remarks about the Nazi leader to be mistaken as praise," Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said in a statement.


The statement doesn't dismiss Mr. Will Smith's comments about Hitler. It merely reflects on his p.r. damage control.

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djsblack

An entertainment newswire service has issued an apology to Will Smith, but so far, the originating paper has not yet issued a retraction. From TMZ:


A big entertainment news service is beating itself up after it helped spread that whole misconstrued Will Smith-as-Hitler-apologist mishegas.

The World Entertainment News Network issued a formal apology to Smith, saying that the "erroneous and dangerous statement attributed to Will Smith about Adolph HItler being a 'good person' ... was false and misleading." WENN says it takes "full responsibility for the dissemination" of the story and offers Will "a sincere apology" and deeply regrets "the personal stress" caused.

WENN had picked up the misrepresented quote from a Scottish paper, which has yet to retract its report.

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