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Opinion: Heritage Not Hate? Our Heritage IS Hate.
It was in the paper just recently: an all white school in Kentucky that has rebel flags all over the place. And very proud of it. And of course they use the same old argument all of those flag wavers do: Heritage, not Hate. They say they are celebrating their heritage and not hating anyone.
Well, here's a news flash to those people and to the millions of others who believe they are celebrating a great heritage when they wave that flag: The news is... Our heritage IS hate. And I am speaking as a white man, a seventh generation Southerner. Born and bred and for the most part having lived here.
Those kinds of people like to say they are only harmlessly celebrating the bravery of the Confederate Soldier who battled under that flag... and that the war wasn't about slavery anyway, it was about States Rights. Duh... what was slavery if not THE most controversial of those "states rights?"
And that brave army and brave soldiers - Weren't they used to try to protect the institution - the state right (the rich men's right actually, since they were the ones who owned slaves) - of slavery BY FORCE?
Yes the whole army fought to protect states rights... including the rich man's state right to own slaves. (Most white people did not have them as they could not afford them).
And it doesn't really matter how many different flags they marched under, or which one became the most "popular"- all the flags had one purpose - to rally men to fight for "states rights"... including slavery.
Flags exist to get you to rally behind them... and to die for them and the people, the government that created them AND THE CAUSE FOR WHICH THEY REPRESENT.
This fact doesn't matter to most flag wavers. They will simply shake their head and say, "No, your all wrong...the Civil War was just about states rights... and the flag had nothing to do with anything bad."
What? Are you crazy? The flag represents the Government and the people, and the Confederate Government was solidly behind slavery and duped the poor people in the South to fight for it under the guise of "states rights."
Even when you pull out printed written proof where the vice President of the Confederacy said it - the Civil War - WAS about slavery, they brush that aside as well, saying like one man did, that that guy - the vice president - was an idiot. He didn't know what he was talking about. I have to agree with him on that point. He may have been an idiot.
But the fact is that he - the Vice President of the Confederate Nation - said what he said, and he said it, not a hundred and fifty years later, but while it was actually going on... that the Civil War WAS about slavery. And to my knowledge NOBODY at that time stood up and said, "Sit down, you idiot, it's not about slavery." Because back in those days... the people at the top - like the Vice President of the Confederacy - knew it WAS about that.
But of course our heritage of hate against black people didn't start at the Civil War and with that flag. It started with slavery from near day one at the founding of this country.
For how can you love somebody and enslave them? You can't do it. Slavery is not a heritage of love... it is a heritage of greed and hate.
And of course our heritage of hate didn't stop right after the war either, when black people were freed from slavery and were given the right to vote. Because right after the war the Ku Klux Klan was created - by Confederate veterans and for Confederate Veterans and led by a Confederate veteran... with the purpose of putting black people "back in their place..." which meant being dominated by white people.
All of which lead to the two worst years in American History... 1876 and 1877 - which was the most horrible chapter in our Heritage of Hate. For that is when there was a concentrated, dedicated effort - led by Confederate Veterans, to take the vote away from black people throughout the South... by threats, force, violence, and plenty of lynchings and murder.
And it all worked... thanks to white betrayal... another sad aspect of our white Heritage of Hate. For in 1877 Grant refused to send troops to Mississippi to quell the spreading violence and murdering against blacks at election time... because he thought it would cost the Republicans the next presidential election if he did.
And in the most horrendous back room political deal of all time, a Republican was made President but at an incredible cost of betrayal to black people. What was the deal? It was this: In a very close and contested election, the Democrats agreed to let the Republican be the President... IF all Federal troops would be immediately withdrawn from the South.
And that's what happened. The deal was struck. And it meant the death of full and equal black citizenship. For it was the start of yet another chapter of our Heritage of Hate: Legal Segregation. Because after unknown numbers of blacks were killed during 1876 and 1877 trying to exercise their new right to vote, all the rest had to decide if losing their own lives and the lives of their families were worth trying to vote.
Because they couldn't vote without risking death. And they didn't. If you went to vote you were met with threats and violence. If you persisted, you were murdered. (Think I'm wrong? Read the book REDEMPTION.)
And in this manner ALL the State Governments in the South returned to being in control by white people - and most of those back in control were - you guessed it - Confederate veterans.
Now of course that wasn't the end of our Heritage of Hate. It was just the beginning of the lie called "Separate but Equal." For a by product of white government rule was that they controlled all educational funds (and textbooks).
And white schools were always given more and better than black schools. And the only textbooks allowed always told of the glorious war for "States Rights" and always told of how brave the confederate soldiers were and were always illustrated with that flag.
And that's the way it was. Year after year. Black people given the minimum education or no education at all, with little supplies and crumbling facilities. And no opportunity to vote to improve their lives. And kept away by fear and force from white people as much at the white people wanted... while still being kept close enough to do all the work the white people didn't want to do.
But even in those times of segregation there were brave men and women who stood up against it. But using our standard Heritage of Hate... many of those people were killed. Around three thousand lynched in the early 1900's alone. No trial, no lawyer, no fairness. Just mob murder.
But people kept standing up... and getting killed... until finally Martin Luther King, Jr stood up, and led a marvelous movement that was the beginning of the end of legal segregation... and the end of separate and unequal. But of course, due to our legacy of hate... he was killed too.
Now legal segregation is gone. Is that the end of our Legacy of Hate? Of course not. It just started another chapter.. The chapter called "White Flight." Because in our legacy of hate some - even many - white people would rather leave their homes and flee to somewhere else rather than try to get along with black people. They build private schools... even call them religious schools... so their kids don't have to go to school with blacks... or at least... not many blacks.
And that is where we are at now. The current Legacy of Hate is just to stay as much away from them as you can and do and think and say everything you ever thought about blacks that you did before... except behind their back. (And some politicians still can't even do that!)
And of course... don't even consider voting for one.
Or... if you don't know the history of our Heritage of Hate, you can just deny it exists... like the people at that school that continue to wave that flag.
Oh there is one more fact that you never hear about from those people who say they are only honoring the brave confederate soldiers who fought under that flag. They probably don't talk about it because they probably don't KNOW about it. It is this: One of the great reasons the Confederate Army lost the Civil War... is because in the last year they - the soldiers themselves - began to desert in incredibly high numbers. It was a HUGE problem that not even Robert E. Lee could stop.
The question is of course... why were they deserting?
Could it be that they had lost faith in the cause? The cause and the leaders that protected slavery? After all, what did the average Southerner really have at stake in this war? What was he really fighting for... except to save the rich man's plantations? The poor average man certainly didn't have any slaves.
And finally, if those common people back then lost faith in the cause - the cause of preserving state's rights - one of which is slavery... why are the common people today so gung ho about celebrating that cause and that flag that was used to motivate men to die for that cause?
There were of course many Union Deserters as well in that war. But enough of them stayed and fought the fight... until it was won.
And many, many of those who fought that fight... were black men. And I have NEVER heard of large numbers of them deserting.
And black men have fought for America in every war we have ever had since the Civil War and before the Civil War... though often in segregated and substandard conditions.
And they are fighting for us now in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Unfortunately, then, when they come home some of them return to places like that place in Kentucky... where they see that nothing has really changed. That there are still people who have no clue that our real white heritage is a heritage of hate against black people. And that that flag is a symbol of that heritage.
But like one writer once said, she was glad that those kind of people show off that flag. Because it makes it easier to identify... who it is better to steer clear of.
That being people who don't know the truth of their own heritage. Or worse... know it and are proud of it.
Sorry, but I am NOT proud of what we - our forefathers - and us as well... have done to blacks in this country from day one.
You say YOU personally haven't done anything to them and all that was a long time ago? The effects of "all that" still linger on, because you can't deny people education for years and years, and the right to vote for years and years... and the right to be free for years and years... without it having extremely long reprecussions.
I believe the Bible states it something like this: The sins of the father fall upon the children even unto the seventh generation.
The slavery and segregation sins of our fathers are still falling on us.
Even an average person knows that wealth can be inherited. That is no problem to understand. But what they don't comprehend is that poverty - especially FORCED poverty - can be inherited and passed on from generation as well. And that is what has happened.
And ignorance can be passed on from generation to generation as well.
And if you wave that flag... either in a passed on down ignorant pride of what it all meant or in a passed on down on purpose defiance of the equality all Americans should enjoy... You're continuing an unfortunately "white" family tradition: A Heritage of Hate.
Did I ever wave that flag? Yes I did. But over the years I learned what our heritage really was and is. And I changed inside. And it's not too late for other people to change as well. Maybe you. It's not too late until you take your last breath.
And I hope when your last breath leaves you, the legacy you leave behind... won't be one of ignorant pride... or purposeful hate. But instead one of having supported equal treatment of all - under the stars and stripes of the red, white and blue AMERICAN flag.
Don't go to your grave buried under the same flag that was used to try to help perpetuate slavery and segregation.
Where is the goodness in that?
Instead, put it in a museum, and go on with your life. And let other people, black people go on with theirs... and treat them fairly and equally.
Start a new legacy, a new heritage this new year: One not of hate... but of believing in equal treatment for all races.
And if you do believe in that, you will never again wave a flag that did its best to keep black people in slavery and segregation... and in fear of their very lives.
You hear people say that the racist groups "appropriated" the rebel flag for their cause. That's not true. They knew what it meant all along.
And no one in the world, even with all the best intentions in the world, is ever going to be able to take the racist stigma away from that flag.
The best you can do, if you care in the least what black people - your fellow citizens - feel about it... is having nothing to do with it, and certainly don't glorify it.
But of course if you don't care what anyone else in the world thinks about it but you and your "kind"... then it's your flag. Racist meanings and all. And don't be surprised if some people don't want anything to do with you. Or it.
Because... It's an all or none thing.
You either know the truth or you don't.
You either want to get along with everyone and treat everyone fairly or you don't.
But you never get to the truth, by burying your head in the sand.
So get your head out of the sand and face the truth: our heritage is one of hate.
Once you accept that, then we can seek a new heritage. An heritage and an era of tolerance.
Starting now.
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July 18, 2008 at 06:56 am by StandUpToRacism, 827 views, 46 comments
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at 06:59 on July 18th, 2008
StandUpToRacism, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 07:14 on July 18th, 2008
Thank you, I believe it will be my last for awhile. I've got to buckle down and work on a book I've been delaying. Best wishes to all the fine people I have met at Nowpublic.com! Keep fighting the good fight for peace, justice, and tolerance!
at 07:18 on July 18th, 2008
I'm sorry to hear that Gerry, if the mood strikes you please come back once in a while and delight us further with your great writing, Ok?
at 07:28 on July 18th, 2008
StandUpToRacism, I like this story. It's good stuff. And thanks for the important history lesson.
at 12:20 on July 18th, 2008
Note to all who read these comments: I did not put the image of the Confederate Flag up that accompanies this story. Someone else did. I have asked a valued friend if I should take the image down or not.
Will.
at 07:39 on July 18th, 2008
Interesting that the Republicans would free the slaves but blacks would go on to vote as a Democratic block. History of it was the the Dems were very openly against Blacks while the Republicans played both sides of the fence, as evidenced in your comment about Grant and the 1870's above. Eventually the mindset appeared that it is better to vote for the guy who says he'll screw me and does than the one who says he won't and does.
at 07:42 on July 18th, 2008
StandUpToRacism, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Very deep and meaning full Gerry! I am not to proud of what my own people did in the second world war, that is! Well, I dare ashamed of what the Nazi did! However, I am proud of what they managed to do ever since and especially the Constitution since the second World War, a non Violent one, based only on self defence! Germany has no monuments celebrating the Colonial times or their war hero's, yet they are plenty of monuments in memory of all the victims of that era! Any way great piece you wrote there and well worth reading! I sincerely hope this will not be your last post Gerry! What you have to say does matter and has to be said by some one, you are that some one!
at 07:53 on July 18th, 2008
You left out another major cause of the 'War Between the States': Economics. Segregation was not one of the causes. Can't blame it all on 'whites', even 'blacks' owned slaves, in New Orleans and Louisiana anyway.
But most slaves did not get the right to buy their freedom, or, get released from servitude such as the 'indentured servants' from Europe who only had to serve a specified amount of time.
at 08:13 on July 18th, 2008
You are making a good point here, I for one did not know about New Orleans Black having slaves them self! However New Orleans was French until Napoleon gave it to the USA!
at 08:39 on July 18th, 2008
The issue of Black people assuming to own other Black people is a complicated one, Paschen.
In some cases, a so called freed Black person would purchase an enslaved Black person, striking a deal similar to the indentured servitude experienced by White immigrants, so many years of work in exchange for freedom or some other bartered terms.
Some freed Black people purchased their own families.
Of course, there were those who engaged in the trading of their own for less than noble reasons, profit. But, as a friend of mine said to me years ago, by no means offered as an excuse, " You can't live in Dracula's house and expect that you won't, at some point in time, be bitten!"
at 08:58 on July 18th, 2008
Okay, that does make somewhat more sense! It is a tricky issue though! Slavery has been around with Humanity for as long as we have some written records, Black, White, Asian, European, African, even Native American Slaves have all existed. The US was how ever one of the last large bastion of slavery and mainly black slave or about all Black slaves!
My ancestor where White and yet they where slaves as well, at least on my Mothers side!
This of course longer ago that the US slave history, yet the stories remained and I remember my Grand Father always hitting me on the back when ever I put my hand down, saying, "Stand up strait and always keep your head up for you ancestors foght to be free and a free Man shall never bow before any one!" I actually wrote an article about that here on NP!
Now, I am not my Grand Father and I learned a couple of things in my travels, we all have some skeleton in our closets or the large majority at least! We need to remember, That part is important, yet we also need to let the scars heal and leave the pain in the past in order to be able to go forward or we get stuck in a vicius ciecle!
And this does not only apply to race, but also to religion, nations and individuals and especially Families!
at 09:55 on July 18th, 2008
Thank you for sharing your history, Paschen. Your grandfather's attempt to instill pride in you could be an Every man or woman's story for many.
As you say, slavery has been in existence almost as long as humanity has been on the planet.
The main distinction to be made between most other cultures' practice of slavery and chattel slavery, being brought into existence by nations of Europe, was the methodology of its structure and the use of the profits gained to establish a dominating trade, with the enslaved African being the first 'resource' to be known as 'Black Gold', resulting in 'slave super markets' if you will, being constructed along the west coast of Africa, existing for hundreds of years, one such market being Elmina Castle.
Collusion between one group of Africans with European traders often relied on the 'procurement' of another group to avoid the 'procurement' of one's own tribe to be sold into slavery. Many so called tribal wars were fought for the purposes of obtaining others to be enslaved.
Once the 'business' was established, the Triangular Trade came into being. Great wealth was amassed on a global scale, with the enslaved, using cotton for one example, being the ones who planted, tended and picked the cotton yet everyone up the chain, the presumed enslaved person's owner, the factory that processed the cotton, those who made goods from the cotton and on up the ladder etc., made profit to be reinvested in the use of an unpaid labor force, the enslaved of African descent. Lloyds of London made their first profits from insuring slaving ships.
I am unaware of any other system of slavery that amassed wealth in such a manner.
at 10:36 on July 18th, 2008
The Roman did amas wealth in that manner to, however Europe after the Roman Empire abstained from that form of slavery, since it had suffered under it as well!
The slave trade and wars have existed long before the Americas where even colonised!
Africa sold slaves to Arabs and Black Houssa and Bambara, both slaves from other tribes for they own use, France sold it's unwanted citicen to Africa and Persia as slaves and so did Spain, Portugal and others, a lot cheeper than prisons!
The American slave trade and I do grand that with out reservation was on a scale that had not been seen since the Roman empire and was focoust mainly on Black African. since Capitalism relies on a power piramid it was easier to construct and maintain that way!
However, do not forget that people even in Europe where not free, until the reformation that is in 1546, and that took 30 years of war, so Ironically 1576 was the change!
Even then it still took until the French revolution to lose slavery in Europe, and those where white slaves! 1787 was the end of slavery in Europe! In the Americas it would take another century before the change came or started to come! It is a very interesting subject and issue and I for one would like to know much more about American slavery, and learn more as well as understand. Yet I am also careful since I am aware that their is much Politics and partisanery around the topic making it very difficult to see what is actually reality and what is more emotive, trying to stay objective and even critical is very difficult on an issue so volatile as this one! Nevertheless it is possible if one wants it to be resolved and find the trues!
I hope that one day the US will find peace and unity and that racism will no longer be any where in this world! I am of mixed race and I married a woman of another race than mine, making my Children mixed race again! From a DNA point of view all human should go into mixed race marriages and we would be better of for it, Socially as well as genetically, better equieped to fight illnesses and survive plagues and so on!
PS, I have a lot of reading to do with all you have given me on links!
at 10:45 on July 18th, 2008
I wasn't aware that Rome had slaving forts, transporting millions of people to parts of the so called New World, mainly the Caribbean and North America.
at 10:59 on July 18th, 2008
Well, the scale was rather smaller, however so where the means and population! Yes, Rome had Slave trading post and forts, and much worth, it also had the arena and games where slaves had to fight for their amusement to the death against each other! And North America was not even on the map back then!
at 11:34 on July 18th, 2008
Well, my point was the massive amounts of wealth having not been seen until the system of chattel slavery was developed.
Today's horrid realities of those forced into child labor, slavery and prostitution most likely reach a comparable level of deplorable existence for humanity and monetary gain for those exploiters involved in those endeavors.
at 11:50 on July 18th, 2008
I do understand and do not think I am trying to dismiss any of what has happened in the Americas, may it be Sugar that was the catallisator or cotton, would be another debate all together! I acknowledge the horror and pain, as well as the injustice, however this injustice is not new, it did in comparable scale and methodology as well as monetary gain existed before in the Roman and even before in the Greek Empire, however the Roman absolutely perfected the system! Julius Cesarius was in part Killed because he wanted to reform the system and give some of the Germanic slaves freedom even equal rights as to a Roman since they had served him and Rome with loyalty and Build up the empire! It would take another 400 years before Rome would collapse under the German and Hun rebellion!
The Americas where build on with the inspiration of the Roman Empire, still to this day glorified by many aspiaring totalitarian!
at 12:16 on July 18th, 2008
Obviously, this could go on and on but, if during Roman times the forts were on a smaller scale, than that makes the point regarding chattel slavery.
And please understand, I am not seeking acknowledgement of injustice. I am self aware of that fact.
One major difference between slavery during Roman times and chattel slavery is it was not race based. Here, in the States, there was the 'one drop' rule, meaning one drop of Negro blood, and if the mother was enslaved, even if the father were White, the child was considered a slave.
If indeed America was built as a result of Roman inspiration, in many ways, America has surpassed Rome and it's aspirations.
at 20:23 on July 18th, 2008
Yes, it was race based, the Numbers have to be compared in proportion and not just puree numbers. If I have an average of 4 slaves per Roman and only 2 per British American, and only on a limited part of the territory then they have been less slaves per capita even if the total number is higher! Slavery in the USA was limited to the South, where as slavery in the Roman Empire was over the hole Empire, So is the total number of slave holders! The ratio does matter! In Roman Time race, played a role even worth Clans and tribes did matter! They where untachebles and no one would even aproch another clan, Red hair Irish, or Scots where treated like animals, and so where the Germanic tribes for about 3 to 5 centuries! Colour is not the main factor for race, at least not in a world that is based on dominance, power and wealth!
I have seen all sorts of racism and to belittle on and try to build up another is bias at best!
The Houssa in west Africa are tall beautiful People, always been a Rolling cast and they hate the Fulani, the Fofo and others, also black, yet slaves to the Houssa, same happen in Ethiopia among Black, and this long before the White Man came, same does go on among white and asian, Racism is based on fear, competion, ingnorance and cast systems still in place! Read Gerry his piece on the scavenger in India! To ignore Slavery aother than the one that happened in the Americas is like saying they suffering did not matter for they are white or Yellow and their for it does not count, yet ours does for we are black, now how racist is that!!?? Racism does exist in equal proportion in all Groups of human!
Look at what the Nazi did with the Jews, Gipsy, opposition and every thing they did not like, they made them into sub Human, degrading them and removing their humanity, enslaving them into forced hard labour and finally killing them if the hard labour did not already do it! Now if that is not slavery to it most despicable extreme then I do not know what it is! Slavery, genocide and racism or antisimitisme are pretty much the same at least do they come from the same tree! Slaves where valued and an asset, where as Jews and Gipsy as well as others where neither!
at 20:56 on July 18th, 2008
I believe you have lost sight of my initial statement. No one is dismissing or ignoring or downplaying anyone's suffering. My point is not to make a claim based upon 'my pain or suffering is more than your or anyone else's pain or suffering'.
I stated a fact. No where, in the history of humankind, except during chattel slavery, were millions of people, African people, for almost five hundred years, taken from a continent, chained, put into the holds of ships, transported thousands of miles, to land on shores unknown. The system of chattel slavery was the only system to do so.
Creating a means for expediting shipments of humans, over 300 forts along the coast of West Africa, housing hundreds and thousands for months, ultimately millions for hundreds of years, awaiting shipment abroad as cargo, only during chattel slavery.
During transport, a journey of months for anyone traveling during that time period in history, the loss of one fourth to one third of the individuals' lives, chained and crammed below decks, unheard of until chattel slavery.
Upon arrival, those who survived sold to foreigners, to toil as a means of production for enrichment of a system that totally deprived all who were trapped in it of any form of human dignity, creating wealth that benefited all involved except the enslaved, only during chattel slavery.
All the things you've mention throughout this comment thread do not dismiss my point, which was that, until chattel slavery, these specific forms of indignities had not been visited upon any others, which I believe was my original point, that this had not happened, these specific sets of circumstances, at any other time in history.
at 21:22 on July 18th, 2008
Okay, One step at the time! I have no intend to argue, yet I want perspective and objectivity as much as possible!
The History of Human Kind has to be viewed in relation to its time and tools availelble!
The Roman had the Largest Empire ever build in Human history based on the time and tolls, this lasted for a 1000 Years, Slavery was well recorded and organised, even better than in the Americas, for the Romans where masters of burocraty and Military power!
They to transported Slaves for 1000 of Km and removed them from their home land the distances back then where simmilar with the Knowlege and tools at hand!
All you are saying here can be copied word for word and put back in History to the Roman as well! The American slave era is when looked at in perspective to the Roman not much different!
The end result is the same. Injustice! Yet some will even argue that part since a 2000 years ago it was not seen as injustice at all!
Death Penalty for instance is perceived as barbaric by the European, yet in the States and Japan the large Majority see it as just and fair! They cannot convince me though, I still believe that two wrong do not make it right!
In part it is what this article is all about, perceptions, Culture and traditions, as they may be, still do not make it right! But to see that one has to be able to remove one self and look around and back insight from the outside removing even once skin and human body and try to be colour blind and maybe even blind all together without any of our 5 senses!
Neutral as much as possible and objective as well as open minded! Very difficult to do for any one of us! Yet we need to in order to understand and be able to resolve injustices!
What do we want tomorrow to look like and what do we have to do in order to make it so, may be an important questions we need to ask our self as Human around the World!
at 11:11 on July 18th, 2008
Don't forget sugar cane, that started in the islands, and soon moved to Louisiana and other Sourthern areas. There's an interesting short history in the book "Sugar Blues" by William Duffey, as several comments on Amazon put it: Just think about...
You might never eat sugar again.
at 14:14 on July 18th, 2008
Unless you have a kevlar neckbrace
at 08:49 on July 18th, 2008
StandUpToRacism, I like this story. It is good stuff. Good luck with your book!
at 08:12 on July 18th, 2008
StandUpToRacism, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 09:02 on July 18th, 2008
WOW! Such a clear mind and wonderful pen. Here, here! There is hope for the USA. Let us know when the book is out and where we can buy it. You will be missed here.
at 09:58 on July 18th, 2008
Great stuff!
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Pariah825 (not verified)at 10:16 on July 18th, 2008
Another "former Southener", drinking the PC Kool-Aid. singing a tired, worn out, tear-filled ballad. It IS heritage. And I'm a Pennsylvanian - born 'n bred - Yankee who lived in the south for 26 years. I agree with the other commenters, good writing. I disagree with the writer - RE: "You either want to get along with everyone and treat everyone fairly or you don't. " I do treat everyone fairly and with respect. That is untill the INDIVIDUAL gives ample reason on to do so.
Oh, Rene' - that "war between the states"...
Are you referring to the War of Northern Aggression? A little history lesson...
The South was doing just fine
at 11:51 on July 18th, 2008
The South was doing just fine... but millions of human beings in human bondage were not doing fine.
at 17:50 on July 18th, 2008
Just had to comment, I have a friend who lives up North and I asked her on the phone one time, "Do you have rednecks up there like we do down here?"
And she said, "Sure."
And I said, "What do you call them up there?"
And she said, "Rednecks."